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The Global Search for Education: More from India
C. M. Rubin interviews Dr. Madhav Chavan, CEO of the largest NGO in India, about poverty and education in India and what is being done about it.
"The challenges India faces are also an opportunity to move away from the two centuries old model of schooling." (Photo courtesy of Murali Srinivasan)
Is there a future for a US – India partnership in education?
In his remarks at the recent Brookings Institute conference in Washington, Deputy Secretary of State William J. Burns commented, “We are counting on India’s rise, not just as an economic partner, but as a global power – one that engages everywhere from Latin America to the Middle East to South Asia.”
Is there also a partnership opportunity in education? What might these two education systems be able to learn from each other?
In the US we have a significant poverty problem that has a large impact on the educational readiness of children from poor and low income families. 1 in 5 children live in poverty and 1 in 4 rural children live in poverty. 38.5% of rural children are eligible for free or reduced price school meals. The average cognitive scores of preschool-aged children in the highest socioeconomic group are 60% above those of low-income children. (Information provided by Save the Children US Programs)
Dr. Madhav Chavan, CEO and Co-founder of the Pratham Organization notes:
“On the face of it, the two systems are at least a century apart and may have nothing to learn from each other. Indian educators would need to look at how the US schools evolved over the last two centuries, and the US counterparts may want to look at how similar the root causes of poor learning are in schools where children of the poor go. I have been thinking lately that the basic model of the school is fast becoming outdated in the modern times. The challenges India faces are also an opportunity to move away from the two centuries old model of schooling. US school systems have huge resources to try something new. Perhaps both sets of educators should sit down and ask what kind of schools are needed for this century and if they can be systematically developed over the next twenty years.”
This week in The Global Search for Education Dr. Chavan discusses the major issues facing India’s education system and some of the solutions Pratham (one of the largest non-government organizations working with under privileged children) is putting in place to deal with them. Pratham began by offering pre-school education to children in the slums of Mumbai. These programs were subsequently expanded to nearly every state in India. Pratham’s programs are aimed at supplementing governmental efforts. In 2005, it established the Annual Status of Education Report (ASER) to quantify the problems of education in India. In January 2007, it launched the Read India campaign to help India’s 6 to 14 year olds learn to read, write and do basic arithmetic.
"50% of our children at the primary level are at a risk of not entering or not completing secondary education level." (Photo courtesy of Pratham USA)
What proportion of adult Indians is educated?
According to the 2011 census figures, I believe that 25% of adult Indians are illiterate. 50% are semi-educated. Of the remaining 25%, roughly 2 to 4% have received a top class ‘elite’ education, 10% have received a good education and are from the upper middle class, and the other 12% have received some college education and are from the middle class.
What are the issues India faces in their education system at each of the different levels of learning?
I think India faces two basic educational system problems at three different levels. The first issue is one of quantity. The second is one of quality. The three levels are the basic level, i.e. the primary education (up to age 14), the secondary education (ages 14 to 18), and then higher education such as college and university. In all three levels, both issues of quantity and quality are the concern.
In our annual status of education survey we have learned the following. At the primary level, we find by 5th grade, in large numbers of Indian states, less than 50% of children can read a Grade 2 level text. Only about 40% can solve Grade 5 math problems. And so, 50% of our children at the primary level are at a risk of not entering or not completing secondary education level. That’s what we face at the primary level. I believe that a large number of primary school students come from illiterate or semi-literate families who should be able to get additional support, including tutoring, to enable them to handle secondary education.
At the next level, that is secondary education and vocational schooling, the Indian infrastructure and the availability of trained teachers is very poor. My feeling is that we need to think beyond our existing educational learning curriculum, which is very linear. We need to become more innovative so that we can expand and improve learning at the higher levels.
Quality of testing and assessment (certification) is also a big issue. It is hard to say what our examination system actually examines with credibility. For example, if you are a first class student in one corner of India as opposed to another corner in India, it can mean two different things. I believe a solution to this is a standardized test for all.
What things can organizations such as yours do to help students who are not achieving in the existing system?
In India, our first objective in many cases is teaching the child basic skills such as reading and writing. Our annual education survey also checks children’s competence in these basic skills and also their school attendance. We also interview parents. Right now our system just expects teachers to “complete the curriculum” regardless of whether children learn. So looking at the indicators and outcomes is the first step. Based on those results that I have explained above, our team can intervene to help with learning gaps that exist in certain school communities. When we have the schoolteacher and the volunteer (who come from the same community or village as the child) working in sync with the teacher, progress has been made.
I think there is a need to have a very strong bridge between home and school so that parents can be told how the child is doing, especially if the child is not doing well, and so that parents can also help the child in some way.
Our middle class families can make up the learning gaps in our schools with private tutoring. So many middle class Indian students are learning all day in school, coming home, having a quick snack, and then rushing off for several more hours of tutoring. This of course can make children overburdened and overstressed.
Have Indian children started participating in the PISA test?
Yes, India is participating in two states. So let’s wait and see how we do.
"Our first objective in many cases is teaching the child basic skills such as reading and writing." (Photo courtesy of Pratham USA)
What do you think are the most important next steps to making the progress in the Indian educational system you would like to see?
We have to set short, mid, and long term outcome goals. We need to do this at the policy level, and so that means moving away from the current input oriented system we have. If we do that we are addressing half the problem.
Second, we have to address our teacher training process. Teacher training in India is a big problem. Training needs to be revolutionized. In some states, they have tried to address it, but it comes up again and again. Some teachers have the knowledge, but that does not mean they can get the results from their students. Teachers learning how to teach and improving their practices is extremely important.
If these two things are done, then the third thing that we can address is how and what we test. We also need to open up our procedures for testing students. Credible standardized tests will be important to raise and maintain quality standards.
There is also too much emphasis on textbooks. I think we need to focus beyond books. Health, sports, the arts and handicrafts can give children a wider experience of the world. Somehow childhood is missing in our education. I’d like to see children have the opportunity to explore more. It is interesting that India has so many artists and yet art is not a part of our school system. These are important things that we don’t define as knowledge. Being able to read and write is a critical objective. But our definition of education and knowledge has to expand beyond what we are currently teaching in schools.
Pratham USA (established in 1999) now has chapters in 15 major cities across the United States including, Boston, Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, Los Angeles, New York, North Carolina, and the San Francisco Bay Area. For more information: www.PrathamUSA.org
C. M. Rubin and Dr. Madhav Chavan
In The Global Search for Education, join C. M. Rubin and globally renowned thought leaders including Sir Michael Barber (UK), Dr. Leon Botstein (US), Dr. Linda Darling-Hammond (US), Dr. Madhav Chavan (India), Professor Michael Fullan (Canada), Professor Howard Gardner (US), Professor Yvonne Hellman (The Netherlands), Professor Kristin Helstad (Norway), Professor Rose Hipkins (New Zealand), Professor Cornelia Hoogland (Canada), Mme. Chantal Kaufmann (Belgium), Professor Dominique Lafontaine (Belgium), Professor Hugh Lauder (UK), Professor Ben Levin (Canada), Professor Barry McGaw (Australia), Professor R. Natarajan (India), Sridhar Rajagopalan (India), Sir Ken Robinson (UK), Professor Pasi Sahlberg (Finland), Andreas Schleicher (PISA, OECD), Dr. David Shaffer (US), Dr. Kirsten Sivesind (Norway), Chancellor Stephen Spahn (US), Yves Theze (Lycee Francais US), Professor Charles Ungerleider (Canada), Professor Tony Wagner (US), Professor Dylan Wiliam (UK), Professor Theo Wubbels (The Netherlands), Professor Michael Young (UK), and Professor Minxuan Zhang (China) as they explore the big picture education questions that all nations face today.
The Global Search for Education
C.M. Rubin has more than two decades of professional experience in development, marketing, and art direction for a diverse range of media businesses. She is also the author of three bestselling books, including The Real Alice In Wonderland.
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Articles like this show just how far India has yet to come before it can compete on an educational basis with the West.
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A good vision should have clear goals, this has very well defined goals so we should see progress.
I agree. Necessary for any successful system, education, health, business…
Well, it’s always useful to know exactly where you’re heading, that’s a good thing.
In my opinion India has a unique advantage – they can start with a fresh slate and learn from everyone elses mistakes!
I am impressed by what Pratham has been able to do in 20 years. I cannot imagine how large the scope of this effort is.
I think that Dr. Chavan is a great humanitarian.
This organization has come such a long way and it is so efficiently run I have to say
Poverty. Low income children. Inferior schools. Poorly trained teachers. These are conditions that we have in a large number of states within America. Could we use a few NGO’s with a large force of teachers or social workers that get involved in helping poor children succeed, in bringing parents into the loop, in providing some assistance to children in the pre-school year so that they don’t come to kindergarten already way behind the average American child.
I would like to hear more from the teachers that teach in the US schools that have large numbers of poor students. How do they see the problems and what can be done to address them?
I’m a long term believer in that it’s about bringing the parents in and getting them involved. After all, they are more than likely the single biggest influence on their children so we can utilise that for our advantage.
I think that Dr. Chavan’s organization, Pratham, has done an outstanding job at fundraising for the educational effort in India, with the establishment of chapters in 15 major cities in the USA. This is a model that we should be looking at to supplement the education system in place today, particularly in poor areas. And especially in the current economically depressed environment where school funding is being cut back everywhere.
I can really see where it would help specific communities in the US. Hopefully it will provide greater opportunities for those disadvantaged kids.
This seems like a feasible way to set up grass roots organizations to help in many communities. A very worthwhile cause that should attract charitable giving nationally and by state.
It really should be down to the state, but every little helps I guess.
I don’t deny that Dr Chavan’s work is inspirational, but it highlights how wrong the current government’s priorities are if there is a call for charitable fundraising to boost education.
Although there is so much poverty and illiteracy in India, and the photos of the children are so heart rending, I found this story extremely uplifting. The gem jewelry of this man, Dr. Chavan, are epic. All hats off to him and his co-founder and fellow teacher.
Although there is so much poverty and illiteracy in India, and the photos of the children are so heart rending, I found this story extremely uplifting. The efforts of this man, Dr. Chavan, are epic. All hats off to him and his co-founder and fellow teacher.
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One of the great problems that I see is how so much of the population lives in rural, out of the way farming communities relying on subsistence farming to live. It’s going to be a challenge over the coming decades to break the cycle and for these children to even get access to education in the first place.
Truly great work by Dr Chavan to bring education to those who need it most in their struggle to get out of poverty.
In some circumstances, having a uniform test that is given to everyone in the country is important. India has no way to measure the knowledge and abilities of everyone. But the test should be used as a diagnostic, not as a high stakes test.
I think you’ve summed it up well. There is nothing wrong with standardized testing – that is, until it becomes so pivotal that it can make or break a child’s educational career. It is highly valuable for comparing students, though.
It’s all to do with moderation – use tests sparingly to assess students and then leave it at that, simple. When it comes to college intake, look at the whole student, don’t just take a short cut and pick those with the highest test scores.
No one likes to have a poor score pounded in.
Will be interesting to see how India performs in the Pisa Tests. For the first time two states will participate.
The Gross Enrollment Ratio to higher education in India is only around 12 percent. Hence, it is difficult to understand around 24 percent having had some level of college education.
Depends how they define ‘some level of college education’ and where the 24 percent are educated – India – other parts of the world?. Good point though.
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As an education system which is still finding it’s way and creating its basic model for the masses in many instances India has an opportunity to learn from the rest of the world.
If India could get a handle on its education problem, the nation would outperform China and the rest of the world on economics and innovation. China has a lot of “eduated” people, but they have no innovation. India has innovation, but not enough educated people.
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Well, Indian is a poor country. But it is necessary and important to develop it’s education.
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