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	<title>Comments on: Barry Garelick: The Myth About Traditional Math Education</title>
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		<title>By: Alison Fairfield</title>
		<link>http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/barry-garelick-the-myth-about-traditional-math-education/#comment-8773</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Fairfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,

I am writing from Houston TX. My children grades k,3,6 go to a small private Christian school lovingly headed by female math geeks They work hard to find good traditional texts other than Saxon which they consider too drill and kill. Our 8th graders finish with Algebra 1 mastery and are regularly admitted to Debakey High School, the best in the city. 

Interestingly we chose this school after withdrawing my eldest from a more &quot;elite&quot; private school because of my research into Everyday Math. What would be interesting to investigate is the extent to which -- like Houston -- the elite private schools in other major cities have in lockstep exposed the best and brightest to this terrible form of math. Every time I speak with a parent from those schools I hear the math is be supplemented. And I have no doubt that tutors are busy keeping up test scores.

I am also wondering why in the world that the free online Khan Academy, touted by Bill Gates, teaches lattice multiplication so adoringly while cautioning against the tradition method as though it is actually hard not to make a mistake using it! I was infuriated viewing this instruction. As if Bill Gates or any boomer was mistake prone using this method! I&#039;d love to know if you have any insights about the blatant prejudice of this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,</p>
<p>I am writing from Houston TX. My children grades k,3,6 go to a small private Christian school lovingly headed by female math geeks They work hard to find good traditional texts other than Saxon which they consider too drill and kill. Our 8th graders finish with Algebra 1 mastery and are regularly admitted to Debakey High School, the best in the city. </p>
<p>Interestingly we chose this school after withdrawing my eldest from a more &#8220;elite&#8221; private school because of my research into Everyday Math. What would be interesting to investigate is the extent to which &#8212; like Houston &#8212; the elite private schools in other major cities have in lockstep exposed the best and brightest to this terrible form of math. Every time I speak with a parent from those schools I hear the math is be supplemented. And I have no doubt that tutors are busy keeping up test scores.</p>
<p>I am also wondering why in the world that the free online Khan Academy, touted by Bill Gates, teaches lattice multiplication so adoringly while cautioning against the tradition method as though it is actually hard not to make a mistake using it! I was infuriated viewing this instruction. As if Bill Gates or any boomer was mistake prone using this method! I&#8217;d love to know if you have any insights about the blatant prejudice of this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocket Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/barry-garelick-the-myth-about-traditional-math-education/#comment-4950</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocket Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mind never ever stops asking &quot;What&#039;s in it for me&quot; and until we come to grips that this dictates are well being and needs to be the top thought in dealing with everyone we will continue to be hoodwinked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mind never ever stops asking &#8220;What&#8217;s in it for me&#8221; and until we come to grips that this dictates are well being and needs to be the top thought in dealing with everyone we will continue to be hoodwinked.</p>
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		<title>By: Perhaps the biggest math challenge is how to teach math &#171; drwilda</title>
		<link>http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/barry-garelick-the-myth-about-traditional-math-education/#comment-4083</link>
		<dc:creator>Perhaps the biggest math challenge is how to teach math &#171; drwilda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I’ve discussed elsewhere, the criticism of traditional math teaching is based largely on a mischaracterization of how it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yesterday Was a Difficult. Today Will Be Better. &#124; Perfect Score Project</title>
		<link>http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/barry-garelick-the-myth-about-traditional-math-education/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Yesterday Was a Difficult. Today Will Be Better. &#124; Perfect Score Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you want to know how my math education may have gone so awry, read this article by Barry Garelick in Education News: The Myth About Traditional Math Education. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you want to know how my math education may have gone so awry, read this article by Barry Garelick in Education News: The Myth About Traditional Math Education. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ziffer</title>
		<link>http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/barry-garelick-the-myth-about-traditional-math-education/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Ziffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh. After 15 years of following this thing I&#039;ve come to a fairly dark conclusion about all of this. Basically we have a public education system where curriculum is driven by a bunch of academics operating in an environment where the only competition they face is from each other, i.e. there is no need for anyone to worry about pleasing customers since the customers here are not going to choose alternatives for which they must pay when offered a product, even if a miserable one, for which they do not pay.

The question for academics then is not how to BE effective but rather how to make a name for yourself most effectively. It&#039;s much like being a politician - the issue is getting elected, not doing the &quot;right thing&quot; or even remotely knowing enough to do the right thing.

To make a name for yourself you have to create something that is radically different from what went before, and in order to gain market share you have to demonize what went before. Oh yes and it helps to be a professor at a major university so that you can indoctrinate your own army of naive advocates who&#039;ve never heard anything but what you&#039;ve taught them.

Most educational innovations, like most innovations in general, are worthless. The odds of any radical change in curriculum constituting an actual improvement are almost nil. But improvement and effectiveness are not the issues. The issue is whether you can sell something that requires less work on everybody&#039;s part, and that can make ever more lower-functioning teachers who have not and cannot themselves master the subject matter feel good about themselves. In that, our modern curricula truly do excel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. After 15 years of following this thing I&#8217;ve come to a fairly dark conclusion about all of this. Basically we have a public education system where curriculum is driven by a bunch of academics operating in an environment where the only competition they face is from each other, i.e. there is no need for anyone to worry about pleasing customers since the customers here are not going to choose alternatives for which they must pay when offered a product, even if a miserable one, for which they do not pay.</p>
<p>The question for academics then is not how to BE effective but rather how to make a name for yourself most effectively. It&#8217;s much like being a politician &#8211; the issue is getting elected, not doing the &#8220;right thing&#8221; or even remotely knowing enough to do the right thing.</p>
<p>To make a name for yourself you have to create something that is radically different from what went before, and in order to gain market share you have to demonize what went before. Oh yes and it helps to be a professor at a major university so that you can indoctrinate your own army of naive advocates who&#8217;ve never heard anything but what you&#8217;ve taught them.</p>
<p>Most educational innovations, like most innovations in general, are worthless. The odds of any radical change in curriculum constituting an actual improvement are almost nil. But improvement and effectiveness are not the issues. The issue is whether you can sell something that requires less work on everybody&#8217;s part, and that can make ever more lower-functioning teachers who have not and cannot themselves master the subject matter feel good about themselves. In that, our modern curricula truly do excel.</p>
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		<title>By: The myth about traditional math education — Joanne Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/barry-garelick-the-myth-about-traditional-math-education/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>The myth about traditional math education — Joanne Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] method of teaching math has failed thousands of students,&#8221; claim new math proponents. That&#8217;s a myth, writes Barry Garelick in Education [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] method of teaching math has failed thousands of students,&#8221; claim new math proponents. That&#8217;s a myth, writes Barry Garelick in Education [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
		<link>http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/barry-garelick-the-myth-about-traditional-math-education/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Disingenuous&quot; at best.  Apparently, traditional math failed because of content and pedagogy, but modern, authentic math (or whatever they like to call it now) fails because teachers are not properly prepared.

My son&#039;s math in high school uses textbooks and follows the &quot;traditional&quot; path of geometry, algebra II, precalculus, and calculus. Apparently, a pedagogical epiphany happens in high school. Actually, it&#039;s the difference between low expectations and high expectations. It has little to do with understanding, critical thinking, creativity, or innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Disingenuous&#8221; at best.  Apparently, traditional math failed because of content and pedagogy, but modern, authentic math (or whatever they like to call it now) fails because teachers are not properly prepared.</p>
<p>My son&#8217;s math in high school uses textbooks and follows the &#8220;traditional&#8221; path of geometry, algebra II, precalculus, and calculus. Apparently, a pedagogical epiphany happens in high school. Actually, it&#8217;s the difference between low expectations and high expectations. It has little to do with understanding, critical thinking, creativity, or innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredricka Reisman, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredricka Reisman, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should be integrating creativity and innovation with mathematics content and pedagogy. See:

Reisman, F.K. and Torrance, E.P.  (2002).  Learning mathematics creatively: Place value. Bensenville, IL: Scholastic Testing Service.

Torrance, E.P. and Reisman, F.K.  (2000).  Learning mathematics creatively: Word problems. Bensenville, IL: Scholastic Testing Service.

Torrance, E.P. and Reisman, F.K.  (2000).  Learning mathematics creatively: Primes, fractions, decimals. Bensenville, IL: Scholastic Testing Service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should be integrating creativity and innovation with mathematics content and pedagogy. See:</p>
<p>Reisman, F.K. and Torrance, E.P.  (2002).  Learning mathematics creatively: Place value. Bensenville, IL: Scholastic Testing Service.</p>
<p>Torrance, E.P. and Reisman, F.K.  (2000).  Learning mathematics creatively: Word problems. Bensenville, IL: Scholastic Testing Service.</p>
<p>Torrance, E.P. and Reisman, F.K.  (2000).  Learning mathematics creatively: Primes, fractions, decimals. Bensenville, IL: Scholastic Testing Service.</p>
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		<title>By: The Myth About Traditional Math &#171; PWC Education Reform Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/barry-garelick-the-myth-about-traditional-math-education/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>The Myth About Traditional Math &#171; PWC Education Reform Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Garelick discusses myth versus reality in his article &#8220;The Myth About Traditional Math Education&#8221; published today in Education News. &#8220;The education establishment continues to advance faddish [...]</description>
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